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SPIRAL

INDIE MUSIC ZINE

curated collections

[ triannual issues  ]

Q&A . VIDEO . SOUND . LIVE

Sept - Nov 2024


Welcome to our 3rd issue!
SPIRAL

[ indie music zine ]


True Story ...
Back in late 2023, my cousin invited me to see Mato Wayuhi (w/
Xiuhtezcatl) at the intimate Voodoo Room (House of Blues), San Diego. I had no idea who he was, but she persuaded me by prefacing that he'd composed the theme song for Hulu's Reservation Dogs (a TV show that has provided pivotal representation for our community and given us all a renewed sense of pride). Eager to support most Native/Indigenous artists, I bought a ticket & trekked down south to see what this fellow was all about. It wasn't surprising, the crowd was primarily composed of energetically eager & fresh-faced, college-aged fans. Immediately sensing I was out of my league, I took my proper place at the back (as any “auntie"/elder would do) & silently wondered what I was in store for. The merch booth I'd passed on the way in, showcased alluring designs and looking back, I'm sorry I didn't pick up a tote at the time. So, needless to say, I was floored by Mato's performance, his co-headliner, and backing band. (obvi or he wouldn't be gracing the cover of this zine issue) His flow, beats, melodious runs, thought provoking & uplifting lyrics, relatability, honesty, playfulness, dance skills, & smile are undeniably magnetic. I can say with all sincerity, he gave me hope for the future of this genre and has since invaded my eclectic playlists. I literally wake up with his songs in my head, on the daily. So, of course I hounded him for a Q&A & I can't imagine a better way to close out our first year of SPIRAL! (Pretty sure we caught him right before he jets to an unreachable star-status.) This interview is worth the read.
Pinky Promise,
ZsaZsa K.

Mato's website
  • 1) What primary genre(s) would you categorize your music as? Or do you prefer to leave that open?

    Hip hop is at the core of all my pursuits, so having that cultural direction has me gravitating towards rap conventions both musically and behaviorally. I sort out my life through writing rap lyrics, but I do make a concerted effort to write songs, melodies, bridges, etc. Scoring has afforded me much more musical expansion as well. 


  • 2) For newcomers, what song would you recommend they listen to 1st?

    "CURSIVE JET STREAMS". That song encapsulates every musical interest of mine. Fully realized activity on that joint.

  • 3) Since you’ve documented some of your backstage eats, what’s your favorite so far?

    I had ube for the first time after a show in Seattle, that was quite revelatory. But recently a fan brought me cookies from a spot in Culver City called "The Very Best Cookie in the Whole World" and wow that place is aptly named. Those cookies were angelic. Food after a show is ritualistic at this point, especially since I can't eat before I perform because of nerves. Performing on a full stomach is buttcheeks. 


  • 4) What artist(s) most inspired you to pursue a creative path?

    Tyler, the Creator. I was 12-13 years old when my friends Gus and Devon introduced me to his music and my entire life perspective changed for the better. Besides not hitting puberty yet I wasn't doing anything with my life at that point and probably wouldn't have excelled in much if it wasn't for Tyler's first two albums. I'm a super geek goofy goober fan of him and everyone else who came up during that time — Frank, Earl, etc. Tyler's style, demeanor and devotion to music and creation is so electric and defiant of how some trends persist in entertainment. He and Odd Future did it themselves off the strength of their skills and mindset which is something I can relate to. When I started music I felt alienated from other artists, particularly Native artists, and still do, which is something he dealt with approximate to other Black artists. I operate with a high level of confidence that I owe a lot to him. Aside from the extrinsic components, I just love his music so much. He gives such a fuck. His choices are exhilarating to me and I'm so grateful to exist in the same universe as the albums he's created. 

  • 5) The head scarf has become a sort of trademark for you. Does it signify anything specific? Or is it just a fashion statement?

    Much of what I wear has been gifted to me — the head scarf is from my friend Kelly. He's Navajo and that's how they get down. Overall I do like headwear though. 

  • 6) Any pearls of wisdom for other up & coming Native/Indigenous musicians?

    Make what you want, not what you consider is expected of you. Make art as a human before considering your race, gender, sexuality, class, etc. Just get freaky with it and you'll find freedom. 


  • 7) You’ve been at this since you were quite young. Has songwriting always come naturally for you?

    Expressing myself through music came naturally, but honing that into songwriting took awhile. I was moved to make music that I hadn't heard before so in order to do so I had to diligently study the artform. The process for me right now is a lot about subtraction. Getting the words and music down to their essential components, stripping away the fat in favor of sharpness. I'm not there yet in terms of the music I want to be making so it's a continual journey to write the best songs for me. 

  • 8) We love your partnerships with Xiuhtezcatl, Black Belt Eagle Scout, Niandra Blonde, & A$h Da Hunter. Do you have any new collabs on the horizon?

    Probably. They're all my family at this point, so rarely when I see them are we working on music. But I just linked up with KP (Black Belt) and we got some ideas out. My goal is to work with more artists, I've been far too insular up to this point in my career.

  • 9) You’re sharing a portion of your “Non-Dairy Queer” t-shirt profits with Southwest Indigenous Women’s Coalition’s LGBTQ+ Organizations. Can you tell us about some of the good work they’re doing?

    I'm not entirely sure about the organization at large, but some of the profits from the shirts are going to an upcoming subsection of their org that's specifically focused on supplying resources to Two Spirit folks. I'm grateful to belong to and be uplifted by many different communities across Indian Country, so any time I can give back I do. 


  • 10) Your merch page now includes “Moon Bloom” body/facial moisturizer. Does this signify a possible branch out into the skin care/beauty field?

    Potentially! So many fans have communicated to me how much they love that moisturizer – all praises to Ari and Quw'utsun' Made, the company that I collaborated with on those. The dichotomy of releasing skincare products in tandem with an album called STANKFACE STANDING SOLDIER makes me smile. I love lotions // perfumes so I can see myself doing more of that in the future. 


  • 11) What’s the best way your fans can support you today?

    Listen to my album STANKFACE STANDING SOLDIER. Come out to a show, buy some merch. Recommend me places to tour. Or just make me stuff, I adore gifts from fans. Don't be creepy though. 

  • 12) What’s been the most challenging part of directing music videos? Most rewarding?

    I don't know who told me this or where I read it, but the quote "there's always a 'movie' before the movie" has proven extremely salient in my career. Basically, there's always a story arc and main conflict in regards to shooting logistics before you actually begin filming. To me that's integral to the process. An actor is gonna cancel, the location fell through, the computer you were gonna edit the video on crashed — all of which has happened to me this year alone. That's a challenging part of directing because it's ongoing problem solving on a tight budget. Things going awry test and prepare you for what to expect when it comes to directing, and thankfully I'm usually in a meditative state when we finally make it to set. Once you're there, it's just about being very kind to your collaborators and the creative intuition at play. The most rewarding component to directing used to be capturing the exact image that I had in mind, but now it's shifted to the unexpectedness of what comes to either me or my crew on set. Finding the creative flow is so fun and rejuvenates my spirit. 


  • 13) Last but not least, will you provide any insight on what “Buffalo Pastrami” means?

    It's from one of my favorite books of all time, 4: Fantastic Novels by Daniel Pinkwater. There's a blurb in the book where this character goes to a library and reads about a Jewish settler back in the old days whose benevolent adoption into a Native tribe inspires the creation of buffalo pastrami.  I'm mixed, part Lakota and Romanian Jew — I felt wholly represented reading that passage again in my adulthood. Buffalo Pastrami is literally one of my LLC's now. 

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